Team USA Olympic camp roster

[Masterplan]

Here is the roster:

Goaltenders: Ryan Miller, Jonathan Quick, Tim Thomas

Defencemen: Tom Gilbert, Tim Gleason, Ron Hainsey, Erik Johnson, Jack Johnson, Mike Komisarek, Paul Martin, Brooks Orpik, Brian Rafalski, Rob Scuderi, Ryan Suter, Ryan Whitney

Forwards: David Backes, David Booth, Dustin Brown, Dustin Byfuglien, Ryan Callahan, Chris Drury, Scott Gomez, Patrick Kane, Ryan Kesler, Phil Kessel, Jamie Langenbrunner, Ryan Malone, Mike Modano, Kyle Okposo, T.J. Oshie, Zach Parise, Joe Pavelski, Bobby Ryan, Paul Stastny.

http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=12415.html?cid=rsstsn

[RTWAP]

That team is good enough to win, if they gel properly and get a little lucky.

[Beaker]

No Dipietro in Camp....

No Gionta or Higgins....

I'm surprised by those.... I would've thought a Higgins-Kesler combo would be 2/3 of a checking line.

[Dr Love]

Scuderi? Why?

Nice to see Jon Quick there.

[dempsey_k]

BUFFLYN !

[ArtSexDesign]

Scuderi? Why?

Nice to see Jon Quick there.

Because he is a solid shut down defenseman regardless of how much you hate him for the team he plays on. Is great at blocking shots, isn't a half bad skater (average by my count), has very little to offer offensively, very very little, but he makes up for it by solid positional play and that in this year's playoffs he went up against some of the best players the NHL has to offer. Does a fine job on the pk as well. Was a +23 during the season with Hal "Slow as shit" Gill as his partner and while he was burned a few times by Ovechkin in the 2nd round, he still was +5 and held him in check in the 7th game.

Now you can bring up the stick crap and Ovechkin pts.

Glad to see Bugsy, Whitney, Scuderi and Orpik on that list though. Realistically, I see Whitney, Orpik and Malone making it, Scuderi will probably get cut but being invited is still pretty awesome.

[Masterplan]

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=506039

[Beaker]

Okay for fun lets guess Team USA

Forwards
Parise - Stastny -Kessel
Ryan - Gomez - Kane
Backes - Kesler - Gionta
Malone - Drury - Brown
ex: Langenbrunner

Defence
Rafalski - EJohnson
Suter - Martin
Whitney - Komisarek
ex: J.Johnson

Goalies
Miller
Thomas
Anderson

Their Centres are weak sauce.

[Beaker]

*crickets*

[j c petit]

So Burke took Drury over Gomez?

[Dr_Chimera]

A bit weak at centre, but great team.

Kessel/Parise/Ryan - outstanding finishing potential.

[Phoenix Wright]

Roster:

Backes
Brown
Callahan
Drury
Kane
Kesler
Kessel
Langenbrunner
Malone
Parise
Pavelski
Ryan
Statsny

E. Johnson
J. Johnson
Komisarek
Martin
Orpik
Rafalski
Suter

Miller
Quick
Thomas

[Mumu]

So Burke took Drury over Gomez?

He took Calahan over Okposo.

Khomosarek over a bunch of better and more meritant d-mens.

[edgar_box]

There's no room for Gomez with Stastny, Backes, and Pavelski centering the top lines.

[Phoenix Wright]

There's no room for Gomez with Stastny, Backes, and Pavelski centering the top lines.

I think we all forgot (even I forgot) that Ryan Kesler is a centerman and plays second line center these days on the Canucks.

Stastny and Kesler will center the top lines likely, with Pavelski and Drury as the bottom six centers. Ew.

[edgar_box]

I think we all forgot (even I forgot) that Ryan Kesler is a centerman and plays second line center these days on the Canucks.

Can't say I forgot this.

[Lionel Hutz]

Okposo should be there.

[chiclet]

A bit weak at centre, but great team.

Kessel/Parise/Ryan - outstanding finishing potential.

Where do you suppose they medal?

[edgar_box]

I'd love to see a Malone - Kesler - Langenbrunner trio.

[Beaker]

How are Brooks Orpik and Mike Komisarek ahead of Zach Bogosian? Thats just stupid.

[edgar_box]

Meh, he's not exactly Drew Doughty. He'd get lit up by the big clubs.

[Phoenix Wright]

Meh, he's not exactly Drew Doughty. He'd get lit up by the big clubs.

And Mike Komisarek won't?

[Beaker]

Bogosian would be 4th on my American depth chart.... Rafalski, EJ, Martin... thats it... and I'm not positive about Martin.

[chiclet]

How are Brooks Orpik and Mike Komisarek ahead of Zach Bogosian? Thats just stupid.

Truculence. Where you been napping?

[Dr_Chimera]

Where do you suppose they medal?

All of the top nation teams, save for Slovakia, look like they can beat each other on a given night. No clue, really.

Some really good young players. Particularly these three finishers, each of whom is young. The entire team is quite young.

The real gamebreakers are on Canada/Russia though.

[Beaker]

All of the top nation teams, save for Slovakia, look like they can beat each other on a given night. No clue, really.

Some really good young players. Particularly these three finishers, each of whom is young. The entire team is quite young.

The real gamebreakers are on Canada/Russia though.

You didn't even name Kane.. and I'd put him ahead of 2/3 guys you named.

[The ToJo! Experience]

Actually I think Slovakia on paper is better than the Czechs.

[Beaker]

Actually I think Slovakia on paper is better than the Czechs.

TO JO!

Come join us on the habs board.

[The ToJo! Experience]

TO JO!

Come join us on the habs board.

Whatever. Whatever. I do what I want.

[Beaker]

Whatever. Whatever. I do what I want.

It was an invitation, not an order.

[The ToJo! Experience]

It was an invitation, not an order.


Thoughts on the US Olympic team? Only 5 of those guys are good enough to make team Canada.

Miller, Rafalski, Kane, Parise and Bobby Ryan (who would make it because Getzlaf-Perry connection)

Possible that they would take Kessel or Kesler but that's about it.

[Dr_Chimera]

You didn't even name Kane.. and I'd put him ahead of 2/3 guys you named.

I named three goal-scorers.

[Beaker]

I named three goal-scorers.

Whats Kane?

[Dr_Chimera]

Whats Kane?

Playmaker for the most part.

[Beaker]

Hes got 17 goals already... I'd say he can do both.

[Dr_Chimera]

Beaker - stop being an idiot. No one is saying that Kane can't score. I simply named three guys who are natural finishers.

[edgar_box]

He still isn't a superior finisher to one of Parise or Kessel.

[The ToJo! Experience]

This U.S. team doesn't particularly scare me, but with Miller they have '98 Czech potential...

[Beaker]

Beaker - stop being an idiot. No one is saying that Kane can't score. I simply named three guys who are natural finishers.

I'm just saying they have 4 damn good wingers in their top 6. The Centres are a little weak though.

Stastny is the weakest top line centre of any team in the big 6.

And I don't even know who their 2nd line guy is.

[The ToJo! Experience]

I'm just saying they have 4 damn good wingers in their top 6. The Centres are a little weak though.

Stastny is the weakest top line centre of any team in the big 6.

And I don't even know who their 2nd line guy is.

Backes, Kesler, Drury?

[The ToJo! Experience]

I'm just saying they have 4 damn good wingers in their top 6. The Centres are a little weak though.

Stastny is the weakest top line centre of any team in the big 6.

And I don't even know who their 2nd line guy is.

In Vancouver? We're going to eat this team alive*

*Unless Miller pulls a Hasek

[Beaker]

Backes, Kesler, Drury?

Drury has 14 points this year
Kesler is playing 2nd line C for the Canucks, but i see him more as an ideal checking line centre in this tourney.
Backes I was thinking of as more of a winner.

I think they are gonna use Pavelski there.... but I would have taken Gomez.

Gomez is still a good player, and his biggest problem is his cap hit, but thats not an issue in the Olympics.

[The ToJo! Experience]

Drury has 14 points this year
Kesler is playing 2nd line C for the Canucks, but i see him more as an ideal checking line centre in this tourney.
Backes I was thinking of as more of a winner.

I think they are gonna use Pavelski there.... but I would have taken Gomez.

Gomez is still a good player, and his biggest problem is his cap hit, but thats not an issue in the Olympics.

If you take Gomez then I think they take Gionta. Again, the US team is weaker. The Habs benefit. Win win.

[Beaker]

If you take Gomez then I think they take Gionta. Again, the US team is weaker. The Habs benefit. Win win.

They get rest... plus every time they play the Leafs from now on they'll be motivated to say :fuckyou: to Brian Burke for not taking them. Win Win.

I figured Gionta would get a checking line role for them, while Gomez would be on the second line with Ryan and Kessel.

[The ToJo! Experience]

They get rest... plus every time they play the Leafs from now on they'll be motivated to say :fuckyou: to Brian Burke for not taking them. Win Win.

Agreed. I think the major US weakness are obvious. Centre and top end D talent...

[The ToJo! Experience]

Also Juda$arek and J. Johnson are on this team! Its a team that's easy to hate!

[Phoenix Wright]

I like Jack Johnson...

[Cao]

Thoughts on the US Olympic team? Only 5 of those guys are good enough to make team Canada.

Miller, Rafalski, Kane, Parise and Bobby Ryan (who would make it because Getzlaf-Perry connection)

Possible that they would take Kessel or Kesler but that's about it.

I'd say that Rafalski wouldn't make this team just because of his age and the fact that he hasn't been that great lately.

This team is kinda weird. You'd expect Gomez to make it, but Burke seems to have shunned Habs players (or at least favoured his own; wtf Komisarek over Bogosian?).

I also don't get why Jack Johnson was picked. Maybe it's a "futures" thing, but Jack Johnson isn't exactly a guy who's lived up to his potential and even if it is a "futures" thing, why not take Bogosian?

WHERE IS ZACH BOGOSIAN?!

Also, isn't Backes more effective as a winger or something?

[strictly commercial]

Actually I think Slovakia on paper is better than the Czechs.

Latvia will beat both.

[edgar_box]

It's tough spot for Backes, because more so than Pavelski I think he needs to be in the top 6 to be most effective. Of course it's likely that Ryan will be on the left side, so perhaps Backes will slide into RW on account of that.

It's a versatile forward group, and should not be underestimated in a tournie like this. I'm betting they gel quickly, and if Miller does what he can do they can squeak into the semis.

[strictly commercial]

It's a versatile forward group, and should not be underestimated in a tournie like this. I'm betting they gel quickly, and if Miller does what he can do they can squeak into the semis.

I remember talk at the World Champs a couple of years ago that USA were very serious about preparation for these olympics and that they were going to make sure that they select the best team available, and not just the biggest names. They could pull a surprise or two in this tournament.

[The ToJo! Experience]

I remember talk at the World Champs a couple of years ago that USA were very serious about preparation for these olympics and that they were going to make sure that they select the best team available, and not just the biggest names. They could pull a surprise or two in this tournament.


Miller makes them a contender... they lack the talent of Canada/Russia or Sweden. But they are like Finland... a decent team with an all-world goalie which makes them dangerous.

[The ToJo! Experience]

I also don't get why Jack Johnson was picked. Maybe it's a "futures" thing, but Jack Johnson isn't exactly a guy who's lived up to his potential and even if it is a "futures" thing, why not take Bogosian?


Jack Johnson has history in Vancouver... and Burkey loves that kind of truculence.

[chiclet]

Jack Johnson has history in Vancouver...

Yes. A history of getting his ass handed to him on the ice and from the crowd.

[Beaker]

It's tough spot for Backes, because more so than Pavelski I think he needs to be in the top 6 to be most effective. Of course it's likely that Ryan will be on the left side, so perhaps Backes will slide into RW on account of that.

It's a versatile forward group, and should not be underestimated in a tournie like this. I'm betting they gel quickly, and if Miller does what he can do they can squeak into the semis.

Parise (lw), Ryan (lw), Kane (rw), Kessel (rw)...

Their top 6 wingers are good.

Its Centre and Defence where this team sucks.

[The ToJo! Experience]

Yes. A history of getting his ass handed to him on the ice and from the crowd.

And that's what makes him a Burke player... :rimshot:

[edgar_box]

Its Centre where this team sucks.

On paper they suck, but in actuality a team that has Sakic, Lecavalier, and Thornton down the middle can finish 7th. Stastny, Backes, or Pavelski in between the four wingers you listed still proves to be a more than formidable trio(s).

The D isn't pretty, but they won't be as porous as some feel.

[The ToJo! Experience]

On paper they suck, but in actuality a team that has Sakic, Lecavalier, and Thornton down the middle can finish 7th. Stastny, Backes, or Pavelski in between the four wingers you listed still proves to be a more than formidable trio(s).

The D isn't pretty, but they won't be as porous as some feel.

The Czechs won in 98 with centres of Lang, Reichel, Dopita, Beranek so... point taken

[Beaker]

The Czechs won in 98 with centres of Lang, Reichel, Dopita, Beranek so... point taken

Ryan Miller might be the best goalie in the NHL right now... but he's no Hasek.

[The ToJo! Experience]

Ryan Miller might be the best goalie in the NHL right now... but he's no Hasek.

True, but he need only be Hasek-ian for a week...

[strictly commercial]

Hasek-ian

You just made that word up, didn't you

[Newfaloed]

Ryan Miller might be the best goalie in the NHL right now... but he's no Hasek.

Their stats are pretty damn similar. 2.08 GAA and .932 SV% for Miller. 2.09 GAA and .932 SV% for Hasek that year.

5.68 GPG in the NHL this season thus far, 5.28 back then.

Pretty close. Miller could steal this thing.

[The ToJo! Experience]

Their stats are pretty damn similar. 2.08 GAA and .932 SV% for Miller. 2.09 GAA and .932 SV% for Hasek that year.

5.68 GPG in the NHL this season thus far, 5.28 back then.

Pretty close. Miller could steal this thing.

Well Hasek is one of the five greatest goalies of all time... Miller isn't of his caliber, but like I said he only needs to be for a week or so.

[Newfaloed]

Well Hasek is one of the five greatest goalies of all time... Miller isn't of his caliber, but like I said he only needs to be for a week or so.

I wasn't trying to liken Miller's career totals to Hasek's, but in their respective olympic years they are very similar, and it's quite conceivable that Miller could replicate Hasek's Nagano performance in Vancouver.

Basically we agree.

[Beaker]

Paul Martin out for the Olympics.

Mike Komisarek questionable.


USA will be adding at least 1 Dman, probably 2.

If they don't take Bogosian, they are retards.

[Newfaloed]

Really looks like Komi won't be there either.

Bogo likely will be there now.

[hockeysense]

Really looks like Komi won't be there either.

Bogo likely will be there now.

And Bogosian should be. Mind-blowing that he wasn't included in the first place. He's been struggling a bit lately though.

[BIG BLUE]

Bogo won't make it...

Komi and Martin are vets....Team USA already bringing EJ and JJ...young D...

they will replace vets with vets...

Andy Greene + Ryan Whitney

[Big#D]

Bogo won't make it...

Komi and Martin are vets....Team USA already bringing EJ and JJ...young D...

they will replace vets with vets...

Andy Greene + Ryan Whitney

Andy Greene is not eligible. He's played like crap for the last couple of years and had no expectation to make the team and so he didn't bother with the drug testing requirement.

He was looked at initially when the US were picking because he's having a good year.

It came out in Devils media awhile ago, because the same thing happened to the Devils' Swedish rookie Niclas Bergfors.

[Big#D]

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/fireice/comments/langenbrunner_martins_injury_probably_could_have_b een_handled_a_little_bit_/


“I’m very disappointed for him” Langenbrunner said. “It’s something that I’m pretty sure he’s going to have lots of regrets for a long time about and it (stinks). It’s something that probably could have been handled maybe a little bit better or whatever and it’s tough for him.”

What regrets?

After Martin was injured when he was hit with a shot from Bill Guerin on Oct 24 in Pittsburgh, the Devils discussed surgery as an option, but decided against it initially. After the bone was slow to heal, however, Martin had the surgery on Dec. 22 to insert a bone graft and a titanium plate and screws. That has helped the bone heal, but not quickly enough for him to be ready for the Olympics. If Martin had had the surgery back in October, he probably would have been ready.

“It’s been a long time with the injury and who knows with the timing of it when they decided to do certain things,” Langenbrunner said. “You can never second guess because you’re making a decision when you’re there, but now after months of this I’m sure he wished he made the decision right away to do what he needed to do, but that’s something that you have to live with a bit.”

Devils goaltender Martin Brodeur, who will play for Canada in the Olympics, also feels bad for Martin.

“I think it’s an unfortunate situation for him,” said goaltender Martin Brodeur, who will play for Canada at the Olympics. “I think Team USA is definitley losing one of their top puck-moving defensemen. There are still talented players out there, there’s no doubt about that. But I seet this because I know him personally and I’m sure he’s really personally devastated about the situation that he’s in. Especially, with a broken bone to be out for so long.

“It’s just tough. Everybody has a goal. This is the last year of his contract and the Olympics, this was a big year for him. Now it’s been altered big time. Hopefully he’ll come back healthy and give is that big push at the end of the season.”

[BIG BLUE]

Gleason or Yandle then probably are up

[Beigne]

Gleason or Yandle then probably are up

any of these over bogosian is plain stupidity.

[Beaker]

any of these over bogosian is plain stupidity.

exactly... the US squad has enough veterans in Orpik and Rafalski, on D, plus Miller and Thomas in net... and Langenbrunner, Drury etc on forward.

Taking a clearly inferior player just cause he is a vet over Bogosian who is way better at actually playing the game, would be stupid IMO.

[LilWinger11]

Given that this team has basically no chance to medal- I'd be ecstatic with a bronze- I'd rather see them go with youth and hope that the young guys get to go back in 2014 with some experience under their belts.

[Dr. John Cockwalrus]

Given that this team has basically no chance to medal- I'd be ecstatic with a bronze- I'd rather see them go with youth and hope that the young guys get to go back in 2014 with some experience under their belts.

A medal would be an upset, because that would mean we'd have to finish above one of Canada, Russia or Sweden.

I wouldn't bet on any of them. Our best chance is Sweden, but we're closer to Finland than we are to Sweden. It's basically the Ryan Miller Show, and if the show gets cancelled we're fucked.

[edgar_box]

The Americans capture bronze or lose the gold, you heard it here first!!

[BIG BLUE]

maybe a month ago, ATL was in town and Wilson was asked about it...he said he liked Bogo but said he's unlikely because of his age...he said the pressure is enormous on a D in a tournament like that...

and Wilson is generally part of the USA GM discussions.

and so with JJ and EJ already in...I think it's Gleason or Yandle

[Beaker]

maybe a month ago, ATL was in town and Wilson was asked about it...he said he liked Bogo but said he's unlikely because of his age...he said the pressure is enormous on a D in a tournament like that...

and Wilson is generally part of the USA GM discussions.

and so with JJ and EJ already in...I think it's Gleason or Yandle

you might be right... doesnt change the fact that its a stupid decision.

[edgar_box]

Bogosian just isn't quite there defensively, nor is he a PP threat at this point in his NHL career. Would love to see him go, all the same.

[Beaker]

Bogosian just isn't quite there defensively, nor is he a PP threat at this point in his NHL career. Would love to see him go, all the same.

Hes better than Greene, Gleason and Yandle.

I see the two guys being picked as Bogosian and Ryan Whitney.

[Beigne]

Hes better than Greene, Gleason and Yandle.

I see the two guys being picked as Bogosian and Ryan Whitney.

QFT.

[edgar_box]

Yandle's been pretty damn good this year, and one of the Coyotes' key pieces. As far as I know he can play both sides, too. (AFAIK)

[Newfaloed]

He's not as good as Gleason defensively yet IMO, but close. The rest of his game blows Gleason out of the water.

Based on talent alone, Bogo should go.

[Newfaloed]

Komi done for the year, Gleason the likely replacement per Bobby Mac.

[Beaker]

Komi done for the year, Gleason the likely replacement per Bobby Mac.

Who is in for Martin?

I maintain that Bogo should be on that team.

[Tuggy]

Whitney and Gleason look to be the replacements. Gleason is a good choice but not too sure about Whitney.



I maintain that Bogo should be on that team.

He is too green. He'll be a great player but he's not there yet.

[Beigne]

the opportunity cost of playing Bogosian as they are non favourites is inexistant. They should give him the experience of being there since he's going to be in their top 2 def for the next 3 or 4 olympics.

[Alberta Yote]

Hes better than Greene, Gleason and Yandle.

I see the two guys being picked as Bogosian and Ryan Whitney.Will Bogosian be better than Yandle in the future? Almost assuredly.

He is not better than Yandle right now.

[Newfaloed]

Watching the USA insider show. Drury gets picked for experience and leadership (4th line role). Modano too for experience and leadership. Pavelski and Kesler are the top six guys. Haven't explicitly mentioned Gomez yet.

Gotta say, I'm a little worried about this American squad. Snubs like Guerin, Gomez, Tkachuk, etc are reminiscent of the 1980 miracle squad, plust lots of heart.

Ryan Miller too.. wow.